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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:30:57
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:33:51
hiya pip!
yes, it's real - all true, naturally. how could you doubt it??
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:35:03
Ye i've heard about the scratch marks, didn't know that about the string though!
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:44:03
interesting innit?? xx
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:35:41
lol! thats so kool. love bits of trivia like that.
do you know by any chance ANYthing about twentyith century architecture do you? i'm in real trouble, got a bloody long essay to hand in tommorrow and i'm stumped!-
- 2008-06-16 @ 22:43:31
hiya - don't know much about it, sorry, but if in doubt - try wikipedia as a starting point - or do google searches.. norman foster might be a good one to try??
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:49:48
thats not anything to do with rogers and foster is it?
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:51:48
sorry, don't know.
also try to think of iconic buildings - like the Swiss Re tower in london - a brilliant example of 20th century architecture, if you're looking for one.
good luck with your essay!-
- 2008-06-16 @ 22:54:38
thankyou very much... i think i bloody need it. lol. all nighter for me then lol.
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:46:07
I read that in the Daily Mail a few years back! It must be true...the pap's says so!
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:47:55
no!
you mean, what i wrote is actually true??
this is shocking.
i must stop otherwise all my credibility will be gone!
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:49:44
HeHe...Its v.shocking mister!
*yawnage* Gotta sleep, night night x.
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:50:18
Oddly enough there is a pub in Camden that is known as the Bone House....nah, I've never had so much as a lemonade and a packet of crisps in there!
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:52:54
fibber!
i saw you in there at the weekend - you were being thrown out and it was only 6pm!!
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:53:19
Er no. I don't see, even though I'm looking around for history as I type.
"Come out from under the sofa, history...."-
- 2008-06-16 @ 22:55:21
well, you just posted about the isle of wight festival, and that's history now!
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- 2008-06-16 @ 22:58:20
Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news, but this is bollocks. This story is fake and is an internet urban myth. "Saved by the bell" is certainly a boxing term. "graveyard shift" does refer to graveyard watchmen, but to prevent the bodies being stolen. A "dead ringer" is just a double, an exact copy.
The internet will be the death of accurate history, just wait and see!
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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:03:25
yes, but this is my blog, and i'm always right until proved wrong!
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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:06:03
Can't you at least supply the fake source you used?
Start with an easy one: prove that "saved by the bell" isn't a boxing term...
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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:07:42
no - the burden of proof is yours, mate, since you so clearly know the truth... name your sources!
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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:25:03
Actually, since you made the claims, the onus is on you to provide proof. But, here is a partial refutation anyway:
http://www.classbrain.com/artteensb/publish/printer_328.shtml
We have been unable to confirm that the term “saved by the bell” originated in the 1500s. More commonly it is a boxing term from the 1930s that references the ability to save an opponent that was getting a bad beating by ringing the bell to stop the fight. However, while we were on vacation in New Orleans this last year, we took a graveyard tour, during which it was explained that in New Orleans they actually did have a bell that could be rung in the case of a premature burial. However, this tradition would probably have dated from the late 1800s or the early 1900s.
The graveyard shift is thought by many to refer simply tot he spookiness of working the late shift 12 -8, when very few people were around. However, I think it’s not a good explanation of the term. It is also known as the “graveyard watch.” This starts to get closer to the correct origin, I would think. The caretakers of the graveyards were required to be extra vigilant during the late night hours, when grave robbers would dig up the dead in search of treasure, or bodies that could be sold to the medical profession for research. Therefore the caretakers were on a graveyard watch during those nighttime hours. When people started working in the factories during the late shift, they adopted the term and changed it slightly to the graveyard shift.
The origin and explanation of a “dead ringer” is way off. “The adjective dead means 'perfect, absolute, exact, utmost', in reference to death being the final step in life. Without the adjective "dead," the noun ringer just means 'a double or counterpart'. So dead ringer means 'exact double'.”
Source: Random House - Words @ Random
Read the entire article: dead ringer, doppelgänger
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Sorry, but that really is bollocks! I just checked my OED and there's no mention of that meaning of "graveyard shift" either.
So what have you got?
Tom.
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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:08:13
Since when has any history been actually accurate...always tweaked, sometimes hugely, by whoever's in charge at the time...LOL...and it could be true about the bell...Thomas A Kempis who wrote the Imitation of Christ was buried alive...they dug him up because they thought he was a saint and discovered he'd been trying to claw his way out of his coffin...he must have wondered where his god was at that awful moment...

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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:13:03
very true, jen - so much of what we read about the past is subjective, just as letters to the editor in the newspaper are written from a certain angle.
it's all very interesting, and i don't think anyone can claim to have the absolute truth.
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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:54:12
The modern craze for subjectivity is hiding the fact that objectivity is still possible. Scholarly behaviour in research can still wheedle out the truth from a mass of apparently conflicting theories, as long as original source material can be found.
For further debunking of your hoax story, see this snopes page:
http://www.snopes.com/language/phrases/1500.asp
Tom.
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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:30:27
History is reliable when original documentation exists. Part of the job of good historians is to find the original documentation and collate it.
I have no doubt that some people have been buried alive by mistake, but "saved by the bell" is a boxing term through and through and there is no documentation I have found to indicate otherwise. If you have any, I'd lobe to see it.
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- 2008-06-17 @ 09:19:34
Well I've always known 'saved by the bell' as a boxing term, but perhaps it's origins were even earlier...saved by the bell in boxing terms is saved from being beaten to death, so it's not a huge stretch to say it might have been originally used with reference to something else to do with death...I'll have a scour and see if I can find more than just the usual list of meanings put out by lay people...LOL...great big hugs...
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- 2008-06-17 @ 09:31:20
Have a look at the snopes link I give elsewhere on this discussion. It does a pretty good job of debunking this article. Great site for debunking urban myths, snopes.
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- 2008-06-17 @ 09:48:47
here's a good site for this subject...
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/311000.html for saved by the bell and this one for dead ringer
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/dead%20ringer.html
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- 2008-06-17 @ 09:49:48
hmm...doesn't seem to create a link in this new blog site...oh, well, put it in the browser and you'll see what I mean...very explicit...
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- 2008-06-17 @ 09:54:36
There we are, thanks for confirming the myth ststus of those phrases. Giood site that, and thanks for the link.
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- 2008-06-17 @ 10:00:16
Now the question is - is there an underlying truth in all myths? HLOL...ha ha...great big hugs...and to you too Kev...think we've hijacked your history lesson..great big hugs to you too...

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- 2008-06-17 @ 11:06:56
Good question, and I would say the answer is No. Some probably have a real historical explanation, some are probably just made up, and some are probably very corrupted from the original source.
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- 2008-06-17 @ 11:51:50
Then your answer can't be No surely? Your response suggests there was, in two cases, a possible underlying truth...LOL...I think I come down on the side of a corrupted original source probably built up over the generations into something it definitely was not to begin with...great big hugs...
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- 2008-06-17 @ 11:57:45
I suppose it depends how you define "myth", doesn't it?
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- http://www.jenniferhunter.co.uk
- 2008-06-17 @ 12:01:58
MYTH
Main Entry:
myth Listen to the pronunciation of myth
Pronunciation:
\ˈmith\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Greek mythos
Date:
1830
1 a: a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon b: parable, allegory
2 a: a popular belief or tradition that has grown up around something or someone; especially : one embodying the ideals and institutions of a society or segment of society b: an unfounded or false notion
3: a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence
4: the whole body of myths
Think that covers it...HLOL....
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- 2008-06-17 @ 12:11:30
You asked:
"is there an underlying truth in all myths?"
And I answered "No", and gave 3 possibilities, so the answer has to be no. I don't see how any other answer fits.
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- 2008-06-17 @ 15:14:41
interesting discussion.
tune in for my next history lesson - coming soon!
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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:03:00
That's a real nightmare scenario being buried alive...that's why I'm going for cremation every time...don't think they do a grave yard shift anymore do they?...Great big hugs...
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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:04:05
this is a cheerful subject isn't it?!!
how are you jen?
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- 2008-06-16 @ 23:10:01
It certainly is, Ollie...I'm okay, thanks, Kev...medication kicking in now...How's your back these days? You've not given us an update recently...great big hugs...XX
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- 2008-06-17 @ 18:52:46
oh - struggling on, you know!
it's a lot better, thanks - still get the pain but it's manageable now and i'm under the chiropractor now, matron!
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- http://www.jenniferhunter.co.uk
- 2008-06-17 @ 18:59:44
Good, good...HLOL...glad to hear this...I do sympathise with you with back problems...it isn't until you have a problem that you realise just how interconnected everything things is to it, and the movement of any part of it if something is wrong with your back can be agony...great big gentle hugs still it seems...XXX
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- 2008-06-17 @ 00:24:55
Next post will have to be "Urban Myth Internet History Lesson 9"
now where's my wooden spoon?
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- 2008-06-17 @ 09:18:59
Snopes says "found on the internet April 1999". It was from a larger one about living in the year 1500. One of the more inventive urban myths, but a myth all the same.
Tom.
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- 2008-06-17 @ 02:29:13
So...can't wait to hear your history lesson for the term, "gone 'round the twist."
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- 2008-06-17 @ 15:11:00
hee hee hee - i think i invented that phrase!
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- 2008-06-17 @ 18:29:38
BOL - that's very funny!
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- 2008-06-17 @ 04:30:58
...the bell is ringing don't you hear!
Funny!
'thanks for the history bit..missed that in history class! - i may have been at the pub!-
- 2008-06-17 @ 15:12:15
a much better place to be, davij!
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history lesson 8
@ 2008-06-16 – 22:27:00
England started running out of places to bury people.So they would dig up coffins and take the bones to a bone-house, and re-use the grave. When reopening the coffins, one out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead the string out through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell.Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift.) to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be, saved by the bell or was considered a ...dead ringer.i tried burying kev the chauffeur to try this out, but he insisted the string should be tied to the bell at the flying whippet pub. hence the saying, pulling a pint.a doctor checked him out once and was shocked to find blood in his alcoholstream.why am i telling you this?because history is happening now, all around us, you see.
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